Clews:
Well, first of all Mark, pleasure to have you on the show. Thanks very much for coming over. Is Laura going to be joining us as well?
Collett:
I believe she should be, yes. Yes, she should be joining very soon. I’ve sent her the link as she should be over in a couple of minutes.
Clews:
Great. I’ll leave space for her in the show Mark. For people that aren’t familiar with yourself and your work, can you give us a a brief introduction, please?
Collett:
Well, I am in fact a man, as in a real man. So that’s the start. There no nonsense for me on that now. I’ve been involved in nationalist politics for 20 plus years now. I lead a group called Patriotic Alternative. I have been a content creator since 2016. I used to have a YouTube channel with about 100,000 subscribers. Many videos with hundreds of thousands of views. Some videos with over 1,000,000 views on them. I was very popular on that platform, but I was de-platformed. I also. I also have a channel now on Odyssey, on D Live. I have a channel on Bitchute and I’m also on Telegram and Gab because I’ve been de-platformed on Facebook, I’ve been de-platformed on Twitter, I’ve been de-platformed on Instagram. I’m actually banned from having social media accounts now, and we’re living in this sort of draconian, tyrannical world where unfortunately, if you say anything, regardless of whether it’s factual, or not, if it is in not in lockstep with the current moronic liberal thinking, then unfortunately you lose your right to free speech. And this affects everyone from people down at my lowly level right it to people who used to be presidents.
So this is a wide-reaching problem and it’s only going to get worse. And the fact is, if people don’t do something about it now, and we also were already quite far down this road, if people just think about this now, we’re gonna face real issues. I’m just gonna make sure Laura …..
Clews:
Laura’s here, Ive just added her in. Laura how are you?
Towler:
Hi, good evening. Am I muted? Can you hear me? Hi. So thanks for having me.
Clews:
Loud and clear. My pleasure. Mark was just giving us an introduction to himself and his work as well, Laura. The floor is yours for people that don’t know you. Do you want to tell us a bit about your background as well please?
Towler:
Yeah, I just need to say something before we begin. I do have a a newborn baby and she’s going through a growth spurt at the moment and she’s wanting feeding all the time. So if she cries there’s a good chance I might have to just nip off or turn my camera to feed her. Hope that’s OK.
Clews:
I was actually going to say congratulations on on your baby…. what’s her name?
Towler:
Catherine. Yeah, she’s three months last week.
Clews:
The Great. A good Russophile name. You’re showing your true colours therem aren’t you?
Towler:
Yeah. So, introductions I guess for people that don’t know me, I work with Mark at Patriotic Alternative. I’m the deputy leader of PA and we’ve been going since September 2019. We’re a nationalist organisation based in the United Kingdom and we currently have around 16,000 supporters. We’re a community, building and activism group. So, it means that we obviously have the community building side of things, where we’re creating a network of people. And then we also have the activism side, which is raising awareness of the issues that we think are really important. And the biggest issue that we think is the most important issue is demographics and the fact that British people are on track to becoming a minority in our own country.
So yeah, I guess I’m kind of Mark’s right hand. Woman. Person I think will work …
Clews:
Mark was talking about the issue of de-platforming and censorship. We started UNN 4 years ago. When we started UNN, the really wasn’t anything called de-platforming. Ever. There really, really wasn’t. The first big one was Andrew Anglin. What was it, Stormfront, Daily Stormer? The Daily Stormer, that that was the first big one, like the first big de-platforming. And what they said was well look, we’ll get rid of the real extremists with the real vile stuff. Well, all our people said at the time well its a slippery slope. And then Britain First were huge on Facebook and, I remember at the time. they first got got de-platformed, and they did say we didn’t want to do it, and then there was Tommy Robinson as well was like a huge de-platforming, and now here we are in 2022 and it’s just it’s open season on everything right? No-one safe on any major social media platform, at all, and if you look at the trajectory, where are we going to be in say five years, Laura, in terms of de-platforming?
Towler:
I dread to think, yeah, I mean, I’ve had pretty much everything shut down. I’ve been suspended from YouTube. I had around 60,000 followers on there, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, PayPal. When I set up my Business Grammar tablets, which is a tea and coffee shop, I had a landing page on Shopify. They suspended me. I sent out an e-mail to my subscriber list on Mailchimp. They suspended me. I’ve had two bank accounts shut down personal bank accounts. I don’t use them for any political stuff at all. My personal account, which I used to pay my rent and, you know, pay my bills and that kind of stuff. Santander and Monzo have shut my accounts down. Max had five bank accounts shut down. My husband Sam has had his mom’s bank account shut down. So it’s just relentless. I mean, I worry that it’s gonna be utilities in the future, you know is your gas and lecky company gonna says no, sorry, we’re not working with you. We are private businesses. But the issue is the fact that they seem to be trying to push us towards a cashless society. And I think that with the COVID-19 stuff that really did push us in that direction because there were a lot of businesses that were saying no, you can’t use cash. If they shut down your bank account and they take away your ability to operate as a citizen in Britain, if you can’t use cash, how are you going to function? You know, I mean, so it’s it’s a really scary prospect and I think it’s something that we need to continue raising awareness about. But Mark might have something to say about it because he’s having even less than me.
Collett:
Well, I’ve lost a lot of things, I’ve obviously lost all my social media accounts. And people will say with your social media accounts are well boohoo its only Facebook and Twitter etc. But losing your social media not only stops you getting your message out, I mean my Twitter account was huge. I had 60,000 followers on Twitter and I would get around 12 million Twitter impressions. Every month. So I’m reaching 12 million people. That disappears. That not only effects my ability to reach people, but it also effects my ability to connect with other people. That the content creators. Using your Facebook not only affects your ability to reach people politically, but you lose all your photos, your connections. You lose contact with people that you’ve known for years. People might be at school with, old friends, people who don’t have a phone number there, all gone. You are basically cut out. These services also connect you to a variety of other things. Everywhere asks you to sign in with Facebook. Everywhere asks you to sign in with an existing social network. Every place you’ve done that is then cut off from you. Your progress is lost in a number of different ventures or different other apps that you used Facebook to sign in with. This affects your life in a number of ways, but it goes on to affect your life even worse when you start to lose bank accounts. I’ve lost five actual bank accounts and being kicked off one cryptocurrency exchange, and the cryptocurrency exchange was particularly galling because they froze my assets for months and months. Means I couldn’t trade, I couldn’t sell them when they were at a high and then when you finally get them back, they might not even be worth half of what the original investment was.
Now all of this presents real, real problems. But after having lost five bank accounts, one business account, and four personal accounts, you start to realise that you’re running out of options. You’re opening bank accounts, but they’re shutting them down as quickly as you can open them. In an increasingly cashless society there is nothing you can do. But that also disrupts your mortgage payments, it disrupts your ability to buy shopping etc, it disrupts your ability to buy food for your family. It disrupts your ability to do things like going to the gym. I remember when my first bank account was frozen, and they closed it, it stopped all my direct debits going out so I couldn’t go to the gym, I was getting letters from the bank, I was getting notifications. My phone got cut off because obviously my direct debit from my phone went. I got bills for my broadband saying you’ve not paid your broadband now, so you have to basically pay a fine now. You have to pay an additional sum on top of this and this all puts huge amounts of pressure on you. And after five bank accounts being closed probably think you get used to it, but it’s still a real pain. You have to migrate everything, you have to speak to your bank, move all your direct debits and then you’ve sat there wondering when will the next time, when will it be the next time, when will the next time happen?
And as Laura said, it won’t end with bank accounts, it will then move to utilities. When does your broadband company say, well, we don’t like the message you use our broadband to spread. We don’t think that’s appropriate. When’s it your phone company? When do they say, well we don’t like the conversations you have on our telephone network. This one you get worse and worse or only affect more and more people and people who aren’t screaming and shouting about this, now people who are sitting in silence, maybe want to rethink their strategy. Because it will trickle down. It will start with people like myself and Laura. Well I‘ve lost more bank accounts than any other political activist in the UK. But this will trickle down to other people. And eventually, if you do something as you know, as meaningless and sort of innocuous as misgendering someone on a social network, what what? What’s the future for you? Maybe a knock on the door from the thought police? Maybe the loss of your bank accounts? Maybe your broadband being taken away? Who knows? This is a slippery slope to something that would make the Soviet commissars blush.
Clews:
Yeah, I mean, I don’t take this the wrong way, but the argument for why it was kind of done to you guys. I’m not saying I agree with this, but your opponents would say that there is no place for fascism, there is no place for hate. And they are going out of their way to destroy you and to give you no platform. So, are they not being successful at doing that then?
Collett:
Well anyone who says that but equally supported COVID lockdown restrictions which saw people not being able to say goodbye to loved ones that they lived with for decades – people not being able to invite grandma around to Christmas, people being arrested for going for walks in the park with their partner. People who call us fascists are complete morons because the real threat here is not fascism. People who use the word fascism throw it around so liberally probably don’t even understand what it means. The real threat here is kind of a technocratic communism, which is closing on all sides and basically the COVID lockdown laws, granted Boris Johnson and the Conservatives more powers than any British monarch has ever enjoyed. These powers were unprecedented and when you look at British history, even people like William the Conqueror didn’t have the powers to control the conquered people of the land that he had just been victorious over, he had less power than Boris Johnson granted himself during COVID. And that tells you exactly where we’re going. And this is going to be enforced on multiple levels and people who throw around terms like fascism use it not because it’s an actual, genuine argument. Because the term fascism is just a silencing tactic in the same way as the word racism or racist, homophobe, homophobic, Islamophobe, Islamophobic, all these things are used to silence people and to prevent genuine debate.
Clews:
If I mean obviously, I’m asking that as a leading question because you look at Canada, you look what Justin Trudeau did, the single mothers, people who people who donated to a peaceful protest had their bank accounts removed from them. So, you know it, it will come for everyone eventually and that’s what people need really waking up to and it is really that. Take the classic nightmare where people we banned will be removed, but why, Laura, why do you think is speeded up you know space within the last two or three years. Because as I said before that there was an ability for people to have a debate. There was ability for people to … I don’t necessarily think this is this is all … its mostly on the right of the political spectrum but it goes all ways now like the left deceives itself. There was are a woman’s event the other night that was being picketed. You know it just it seems to just be a culture across everywhere that if anybody steps slightly out of the acceptable overton window, it just has to be crushed.
Towler:
Yeah. It does seem to be accelerating fast really. It was only a few years ago that we were allowed YouTube channels and we were allowed to talk about demographics and race and stuff on YouTube. And then all of a sudden over the last few years, its’s just come so fast. Is it because we’re a threat? Do they silence us and stop us because we’re a threat? Is it because we’re making ground? I mean, that’s the only thing that I can think of, really. If we were irrelevant and we weren’t actually making any progress in real life, wouldn’t they just let us continue because they lie about us so much and they have to misrepresent us in order to present a certain image of us to the public. I mean, they’ll write an article about us. And it will include something that Max said 20 years ago. And then it will say something like Laura once wrote an article where she said she didn’t like Winston Churchill. You know, something like that. So they just recycle the same arguments about us again and again and again. But they don’t actually have anything genuinely bad to say about us because we don’t do anything bad and I think do they misrepresent us and attack us so much because they see us as a threat? And that’s the only reason I can think of really. I mean there is this big sort of like woke culture push as well isn’t there? If you’re getting attacked for, I don’t know, misgendering someone or you know clapping too loud instead of what is it the jazz hands that you’re supposed to do now instead of clapping. All that stuff. I mean that is just ridiculous and I do think that it’s just a big push of woke culture, but when I when it comes to demographic and race, I do think they are trying to silence genuine opposition to the system and they want immigration and then those of us that are. publicising the negative effects of immigration, it seems to be us that are getting attacked the most. So, I think they just want to silence any criticism really.
Clews:
I talk about this a lot. Someone like David Icke, for example, you know, who is throughout the last two years being proven pretty accurate. You know, when I was growing up, David Icke was seen as a bit of a joke figure almost. People would laugh. Go and try to find David Icke on YouTube now, go and try and find David Icke on Twitter. You know he’s he likewise he’s been banned everywhere as well. And for me I think the two big catalysts were the Brexit vote and the election of Trump. I mean obviously they didn’t turn out exactly how many intended, but what they did was they were a shock to the system. The establishment didn’t want them and they said after that we can we can’t allow these things to happen ever again. Because that people were through alternative media, through social media, they were they were winning the battle. So I think I think you’re you’re right about that Laura.
Towler:
Nice. Interesting because I mean I I’m personally not a fan of David Icke, but I do wonder if certain people get banned because they are a gateway to other people as well. And then when you look at some of the people who are maybe not necessarily talking about race and demographics in the way that we are. We often get told that people start off watching their content and then pass over to us. So I wonder if they get banned because their own effective gateway to other ideas which maybe the state don’t want people listening to or adopting.
Clews:
OK moving on slightly I’ve got I’ve got a question then for you Mark. So obviously you talk about race and demographics and white people. Now over the last two years I’ve been very outspoken on COVID on everything that happened. When I went to more ethnically homogeneous areas, the predominantly white areas, unfortunately they were the most in love with the whole COVID scam. You know, they love the masking … if we go up to Inverness… So is … and I’m being controversial here. Is the white race in this country even worth saving?
Collett:
Well depends doesn’t it you can be given says the white race worth saving you gotta ask yourself would this country exist if it wasn’t for the white race? If you think that this country has any merits historically or in the here and now then you have to want the white race to survive, because ultimately everything that made this country notable, everything that made this country what it was the fruit of people of European descent. To say ‘is it worth saving?’ is to say is your country something you just want to throw away. Because a country really is defined by the people who built it and if you want to get rid of the people who built this country, well youre getting rid of what made this country what it is. I personally think white British people deserve a right to survive. And I don’t really think that white British people are suicidal, I don’t think white British people have got to this point where they’re going to become a minority in their own homeland by accident. This isn’t something that just came about by a series of unfortunate coincidences. This is an absolutely structured and plotted attack on our people, which is being led by the mainstream media and those who have infiltrated our establishment, who have completely reorientated our minds, made us hate ourselves, made us despise traditionalism, forced a wedge between men and women, at the same time flooded this country with millions upon millions of non-white immigrants, that the people of Britain never asked for, never wanted, and have repeatedly said at every opportunity they’ve had that not only don’t they want this migration, but they’d like to reverse it. But that has never been presented to them as an option by either side of the illusory political divide.
Clews:
But again, I mean you could argue that there are nefarious elements, a lot of that is being done by other white people specifically white liberals. So, you know this this has been….
Collett:
Well actually the media is overwhelmingly owned by Jews, but you can say white liberals if you want to hide from the issue….
Clews:
Well in the UK. Is the is the…I mean I understand in terms of American media….
Collett:
All the media in the world flows down from Hollywood and the Zionist elite who runs it. That’s the one. If you look who owns Hollywood, look who owns the American media, look at the people who have been warping people’s minds since the 1960s. Look at the people behind the sexual revolution. Just type into Google list of Jewish feminists, people behind Marxism, the people behind the Soviet death camps, the people behind the Holodomor, the people behind the Frankfurt School. And you can keep hiding from this. You can keep saying Oh well, but what if? There’s no oh wells, or what ifs. There is a problem here, of an ethnic group being disproportionately overrepresented in these what are fundamentally anti-white endeavours?
Clews:
Laura, do you agree with that?
Towler:
Yeah, Jews are 0.5% of the electorate in the United Kingdom, which is such a tiny amount. But if you look in the government, then much more than 0.5%. If you look in the media, if you look in banking, if you look in Hollywood, if you look in charities and NGOs, which are ferrying refugees over to the United Kingdom. Jews aremuch, much higher than 0.5% of the population. So, there is a huge over- representation there, but it’s antisemitic to say that, isn’t it? It’s just the fact there is a huge over representation and I think that we should be able to discuss these facts openly and honestly without being scared away from them.
Clews:
We have had someone on on Covid, he was from Israel, and what he would maybe argue, what a lot of Jewish people may be arguing though is that you’re saying that Jewish people would think with one homogeneous brain. When you know if you look at countries like Israel where there are hundreds of political parties, you know, do do they all have the same political persuasion, you know are all these people in positions of media power, on the whole, politically aligned, on everything?
Collett:
No, no-one is saying that, that would be a ridiculous point to make. The Jews are not all one hive mind. They don’t all think alike and they often have disputes amongst themselves. But what makes them unique and what makes them stand out from every other ethnic group on the planet is they have the most extreme form of in-group preference the world has ever known. But not only do they advocate for their own in-group preference and their own people Not only do they have an explicit ethno state in the Middle East, they are the people who push for multiculturalism in every Western nation. Not only do they push for multiculturalism in every Western nation. They also push for hate speech laws. They also push for a range of anti-free speech laws which stops people speaking out against their own racial demise. While strengthening their own racial group in the Middle East. Whilst they’re not all one homogeneous group to the point where they all think exactly the same thing, what they do is they defend themselves from criticism and whilst they have disagreements within their own family, so to speak, they are very, very opposed to anyone outside of their family criticising anyone within the family.
So, whilst you will find different Jewish persuasions if you criticise any particular Jewish group, other Jewish groups, whether they agree with that group or not, will come to their defence and that is the key here. They do treat themselves like family, they do look after one another and they do at the same time wish for other racial groups not to do the same. So you have people at the British Board of Deputies here in the UK, which is an extremely powerful Jewish group, and they advocate for the State of Israel. They think this state of Israel is an important thing and they advocate for the British government to support the state of Israel. That’s very interesting as a state of Israel is explicitly an ethno-state. It is for the Jewish people. They have an ethno-state law. They have a nation-state law enshrining that in law. Yet at the same time the British Board of Deputies wants to welcome refugees, non-whites, people from the Middle East, from sub-Saharan Africa here to the UK. So why would a group of people on one hand advocate for themselves to get an ethno-state but want the people of Britain to have the very opposite?
Clews:
Why indeed? Would they not argue that because of the experiences they have faced in history, being around the world’s persecution, etc, that they are, they are looking out for themselves.
Collett:
They haven’t really been persecuted have they? They’ve been thrown out of 109 different countries but if you get found out of 109 different pubs, is it because all of the pubs are big, nasty meany-heads that don’t like you? Or is it because you probably went round causing lots of trouble in different pubs? Yeah, it’s probably not the fault of the pubs. It is probably that you’re a little bit of a problem.
Clews:
But then is what they are doing not the right thing to do, which is to collectivise, which is to look out for each other and collectivise…
Collett:
Should we collectivise along racial lines?
Clews:
That’s your perspective.
Collett:
No no no, I’m asking you a question. I’m asking you a question. Should we collectivise?
Clews:
I personally am not ashamed to be white and I think that that homogeneous societies work better.
Collett:
So yes we should? Or are you going to get sore bottom sitting on that fence all night?
Clews:
I’m not. I’m just, I’m just from a policy. I mean I’m not ideologically rigid with my politics. My politics have changed quite a lot. But I just want whilst we are still a majority and even majority white country – will people think that way?
Collett:
You’re not answering the question. I’m saying should we organise like other racial groups do and basically defend their own interests and stop our culture and our heritage being replaced? You know, short of why …, Do you think, does David Clews think it would be a good thing for white Britons to become a minority in Britain?
Clews:
No, I don’t think it would be a good thing, I don’t…
Collett:
So then we should collectivise and stand together to prevent ourselves attaining minority status because you and I both well know, if we retain minority status here in the UK, we’re not gonna get one of those special plaques to put on our doors. They were a minority, so we get special treatment now. We will be a hated minority. We will be people who will be victimised, will be beaten when we treated even worse than we are treated now. We’re treated as second class citizens when we’re the majority. So what’s gonna happen when we’re a minority? It’s gonna be hell on earth for us. And if anyone doubts that, just look at how white people are already treated in cities where they have become an ethnic minority. They are treated terribly.
Clews:
Yeah. And and look, I get the whole argument of differences between ethnic nationalism and civic nationalism. As I said, I don’t particularly see myself on either side, and understand both arguments. But you know what what you guys are arguing and talking about. First, in the community that we have. How would these arguments play out amongst Joe Normie? You know, like what? What? I know you produce graphics. I think most people would agree that they don’t want to see Britain becoming a non-majority white country. And when you take a bit deeper, are people actually prepared Laura to make a stand on that?
Towler:
Well, the majority of people do agree with those with regards to demographic. We carried out a piece of activism in August 2019 called We Will Never Ask and we surveyed a couple of thousand people asking them how they feel about white British people becoming a minority in the United Kingdom by 2066. And only 4.8% of people said that they thought it was a good thing. Seven out of 10 people said that they thought it was a bad thing and then it was 26.26% of people who said no strong feelings. But because we did this over face to face in the public, some of those people were scared to answer the question or some people just said that they didn’t believe us so they ticked no strong feelings. So we know that the majority of people, seven out of 10 people, do not want to become a minority in their own homeland, in their own country. And that means that seven out of 10 people do not have a single politician representing their views at all. So I think that our ideas are very palatable to the British public and what we need to do is present solutions which we have done through Patriotic Alternative.
We have a 20 point plan which has a voluntary repatriation scheme. I actually spoke about that at the Second PA conference. I gave a 30 minutes speech on how we would implement voluntary patriation in a completely humane way. I can’t see how anybody could disagree with it on an ethical line because it’s, you know, there’s nothing extreme, or we’re not forcing anybody to do anything. But I think what we need to do really is change the culture within Britain because we have a culture at the moment where we are taught to hate ourselves. One of my YouTube videos before I got suspended was when I interviewed a 15 year old schoolboy. And he told me some horrible things that that they are being taught in the education system. On St. Georges their headmaster gave them assembly on reasons why they should feel ashamed to be English. I mean this is the kind of stuff that we need to stop. We need to instil a sense of pride in our people again. And then I think once we change the culture, the rest of the solutions will fit into place. But we do have solutions up here. We have political solutions and then we also have community-based solutions as well, which would include stepping back from the system and becoming as self-sufficient as possible.
Clews:
I’m just trying to get my head right over how would you deal with a significant amount of people in this country who are white and who are highly liberal you know and they tend to infest Twitter with FBPE on their bio, and remain flags Mark ….
Collett:
I can answer that very easily. What we’ll do is we’ll say London is a wonderful, diverse, multicultural utopia, and all people who like multiculturalism can go and live among are among them, and they can go and live in that utopia. Surely they’ll be better off and happy for it. And then what we’ll say is people who don’t like multicultural utopias can go to a nice white area. Now obviously I’m being facetious, but the point I’m making is quite clear that most of these white liberals who claim multiculturalism is the best thing since sliced bread don’t live in multicultural areas. And when they do live in a multicultural city like London, they live in a gated community. The people who are enforcing this, the people who are pushing this upon us. The people who are its biggest cheerleaders, are all those who never experience it. And that should be a clue to the actual workability of this system when its biggest cheerleaders don’t actually indulge in the poison that they’re promoting. And we talk about people living in ivory towers, and that is where most white liberals actually do live. They live in places where they don’t experience the fruits of the diversity that they claim to love so much.
Towler:
Yeah. What these people do, if I might just jump in, is they tend to vote for refugees and immigration and then an area becomes really diverse and then they operate white flight and move away from the area. And they usually give an example like I wanted to move somewhere that had good schools, but it just basically means a whiter area and then they move to a white area, but there’s no immigration and no crime and its absolutely lovely. And then they start advocating for refugees in that area as well. Just to give an example, I live in Yorkshire and the most works of left wing, pro-open borders, pro-LGBT place in Yorkshire is York, and York is actually 94% white. So it was at the last census. So it is really, really white areas that are incredibly, you know, they want the refugees and they want the immigration, but they don’t have to experience any of it themselves.
Clews:
Like up until about 1997. Like, OK, here’s a question. Do you believe in any non white immigration to the UK? Should that be allowed.
Towler:
Are we talking new people, or the people who are here staying?
Clews:
People who are here staying because because like obviously, I mean I know this was a big issue in the 1980s. Like the BNP and John Tyndall said that people from from Europe would be welcome here. I mean would you be open to people coming from Europe based on their on their skin colour?
Towler:
We should be as self-sufficient as possible as a country. So we shouldn’t be saying, we need to fill these jobs in the NHS, or these fruit pickers, lets ship in a load of immigrants. We should be as self-sufficient as possible. But, if it turns out that there is somebody who can benefit the country greatly, I don’t know if there’s some brain surgeon or something that can perform some activity that no one else can do then it’s a benefit for us for that person to move to the country. But we believe that immigration should be so so so small and it shouldn’t be shipping people over to do stuff that we should do. We should be putting our people first. With regards to the people who are already here. We don’t support forcibly deporting anybody from the United Kingdom apart from two groups of people. The first is Illegals, and the second is foreign criminals. We only believe in voluntary, voluntary repatriation.
Collett:
Let me further Laura’s point. There are people who are distinct and different from the English, the Irish, the Scots and the Welsh, but are much closer to us than other groups. So for example French, Germans, Swedes, these people have very similar cultures to us, in their religions, their language is similar, they have a similar history to us. Yet, you have people then from Somalia, Nigeria, Iraq, Syria. These people are very different, was not just on a racial level but on a cultural level and the way they view the world. So if you have say a Swedish family obviously white and they come and live here, after a couple of generations they will have completely assimilated into our way of life. And you wouldn’t be able to look at them and say, oh look, theyre Swedes, they are different to us. However, what we’re doing here is we’re importing people from all over the world who have the greatest number of differences with us possible, who are never going to assimilate, and bringing them in in the numbers where they can create their own little version of wherever they came from, import their culture to the exclusion of ours, and effectively completely terraform an area. This creates a situation where you go to parts of Britain and they don’t resemble Britain. They don’t resemble Britain racially, ethnically, culturally, religiously. They’d have no relation to what this country actually is meant to be, actually what it was. And this creates a complete transformation of our society.
So, essentially what we are saying is we would like white Britons to remain a supermajority. Illegal immigrants must go. Criminals who have come here and settled, they must go ’cause they’ve committed crimes in our country. And we want to ensure that anyone who did come into our country after that was somebody who was more compatible with our way of life. But even if we did allow people in, you still wouldn’t want swamping numbers of people coming here. You know, even if you did let Swedes come into the country, you wouldn’t want 10 million Swedes coming here and setting up a new city or taking over an entire city for themselves. And you know, pushing out British people or erasing our culture. It’s got to be about ensuring we remain dominant in our ancestral homelands and our cultural heritage, our way of life, our traditions also remain dominant. And that our children, that our grandchildren learn those culture, learn about history, learn those traditions, and that we pass down the things that made us stronger, things that made us great. We don’t want to be severed from our roots.
Clews:
Just making this point, I’m not single necessarily agree with this but, is it not just the situation in 2022 that is a karmic rebalance taking place? Because if this had been 150 years ago, people from our country would have been going all around the world and importing our values, creating our own places. Is this just not ying and yang that happens, over society? You know, are we just not, are we just not in a terminal …?
Collett:
So basically you’re basically saying multiculturalism is terrible then ’cause what you’re saying is we’re being punished for the sins of our fathers?
Clews:
Oh, could that not be what it is, you know, because look at them….
Collett:
So you are saying multiculturalism is terrible and a punishment, then?
Clews:
I don’t think multiculturalism has been a success, I don’t, I don’t like….
Collett:
I’m not just making sure we’re on the right page. So why are we being punished for the sins of our fathers? Now the answers, that is very interesting because firstly, as it said, that takes the point that multiculturalism is terrible. It is a punishment. But what you have to remember is I’m a big fan of the British Empire. I think the British Empire was greatly flawed. I don’t believe in it. I think it was historically a mistake. However, the British Empire gave far more than it ever took. That is a fact. What the British Empire gave to countries was far more valuable than the assets it took away. But this is very important. What the British Empire gave was often far too advanced to be understood and taken on board by the people it was given to. Thus it always failed, and as a social project it proved one thing. Races of men are different, and they all have different levels of development, and they cannot be artificially advanced along. That development may have to develop under their own steam. They have to take their destiny in their own hands. And if you try to force something upon people that are not ready for it leads to social disaster. Africa would be better off without all the help that white people had given it because for all the help white people have given it, it’s only ended up in a greater mess because those people aren’t ready for the social development that white people have foisted upon them. So I don’t think the British Empire was a good thing, but I don’t think it’s a good reason for destroying white people completely ’cause many of the things that white people gave to other countries was from a misplaced sense of wanting to do the right thing.
Towler:
Yeah I agree that the British Empire did a lot of good. Again I do look back at the Empire and think like, why were we so powerful. In a way I feel very proud. But I don’t agree with going into other people’s countries and you know making changes. I think it should be up to the native population to decide what they want to do. But I feel that difference as well between the elites and the general population because even though the elites in the United Kingdom may have benefited from the empire. I would say that the working class in many ways didn’t because they were undercut, you know, we had cottage industry before the industrial revolution in the British Empire and then went cheap sweated goods began being imported and exported out of the country. A lot of people actually lost their jobs. So we didn’t benefit from, you know, all the sugar tax is that it was the people at the top 1% or maybe even less than the top 1%.
And I also would say I don’t think people today should have to suffer for the crimes of – if you are going to call them crimes – of other people from hundreds of years ago. I don’t think our children should be born guilty with a slur that says you owe something to another people, because I haven’t actually done anything wrong. And I will also add that there are plenty of countries are white countries that didn’t have an empire but that also are being forced to have mass immigration. And at the end of the day, this is just an argument. And they changed their arguments depending on who they talked to. In the United States, they said to white people, this is not your country, go back to Europe, Europe is your country. And in Europe they said to us, this is not your country, we all came from Africa anyway. So they just change the argument depending on who they’re talking to. And the end result is always you as a white person is not allowed your own homeland. So, I just think it’s an excuse.
Clews:
Just going to my point as well about the fall of the Roman Empire. You know we again we talk about this a lot on the show that a great deal of what we’re witnessing now is akin to what happened in the early 5th century: currency debasement, citizenship was handed out, there was mass refugees. I’m sure there was people arguing perhaps not on D-live and 408 but, in meeting rooms and towns across the Roman Empire saying that this will be the demise of us and saying we could do something about it. Do you honestly think you can turn the ship around?
Towler:
Is this to me? We can’t promise that we will fix everything, but we can promise you that will do our damn hardest. And we can also promise you that there will be a community of people around you who want the same as you. who are good people, who are talented people, and who were in the struggle with you. We can’t say Mark Collett is going to become Prime Minister and we’re gonna save Britain, but we can’t say we’re gonna do our best to save our people and put our people first. We are going to be totally uapologetic and doing that I’m never going to compromise. And it’s up to other people if they want to embrace the struggle with us and and see how far we can get. But you know history is full of unlikely victors and their stories from the past where minorities overcoming powerful majority and I have faith in our people, I think were the most mighty people that the world has ever seen, the British. So I do have faith in our people. But I’m willing to give it a go no matter what.
Clews:
Ok, can I just ask one question Mark: can non-whites become members of Patriotic Alternative?
Collett:
Yes they can. We don’t actually have a formalised system of membership, but people from all backgrounds do come to our meetings as long as they all agree with our 20 point plan, as long as they agree broadly with our aims and objectives. At the centre of that is the belief that we need to maintain a supermajority status. And there are non-whites living in this country who also agree that whites should be a supermajority. There are some non-whites who came here not because they want to take this country over, because they wanted to live around white people. And that’s a very important distinction to make.
Clews:
So do you think you can turn the ship around? Mark ’cause obviously I, and I’m not, unless I’m not criticising, don’t know where that….
Collett:
Look, what you’re asking is an impossible question. What you’re saying is, can a tiny, poorly armed and underfunded force take on the most powerful surveillance state and the most powerful media the world has ever known? Well, the odds are overwhelmingly against us, but only he is lost who gives himself up for lost. And you can only win a fight if you’re actually in the fight. So we’re in the fight, we’re doing our best and we’re holding on to hope. And we have achieved miraculous things in just two years with very few funds and very little manpower. So if more people got involved and more people started helping to fund us, We could surely achieve even more than we have already.
Clews:
You look at other European countries and again this, this is, this is where the UK is an anomaly. In Germany you have the AFD who sit in Parliament and you have in France, Eric Zemmour and Marine Le Pen. And I know obviously you might not be politically allied with these people, but why do you think even in the UK the right wing party or a soft nationalist, there’s no representation of that even in even in the UK, Mark?
Collett:
Well there used to be. Ukip and the British National Party both did very well in elections, where there was proportional representation and you’re actually looking at countries here where the electoral system is very, very different. People talk about Marine Le Pen and the Front Nationale or the Front Nationale always did very well at the presidential elections because that’s how they were structured. And they did well in some local council seats and they did very well at European elections when it came to winning MEPs. But historically they haven’t done particularly well at first past the post parliamentary elections, but UKIP did very well in some local council seats. They did very well at European parliamentary elections when it’s proportional representation, but they didn’t do very well at general elections and if you look at the way the political system is structured in this country, first past the post with a two party system is basically the illusion of democracy. It isn’t real democracy. It’s a complete farce, it’s a joke. It’s a system of trapping people and making them vote for the option they dislike the least. And whenever you see that as a political system, you very rarely get any genuine opposition. Germany has a system of basically local elections which are run on a state basis, where state parties actually do get into power via proportional representation, which has allowed smaller parties like the AFD to do very well. You have to look at the form of the electoral system in the country you’re talking about.
Clews:
So again with PA, you’re not registered with the Electoral Commission, is that right?
Collett:
Well, they they won’t let us register.
Clews:
So what are your aims then? What do you want people to do? What are you looking to try and achieve?
Collett:
Well, we’re trying to achieve a large community that raises awareness of these issues and we are still applying to the Electoral Commission, even though they are potentially breaking the law by preventing us from registering as a party because we haven’t actually broken any of the electoral laws. What they’re saying is they don’t like our policies and won’t let us actually form a political party because they were opposed to our policies. That is what they have said, pretty much in black and white.
Clews: Well….
Collette:
No no David, you looked away then ’cause what you actually thinking, then I know what you’re thinking. You’re thinking. That’s scandalous. Any right-thinking person should be thinking that. What we have now is a body in this country filled with unelected anti-white bureaucrats who are telling people whether they can or cannot stand for election based on their political opinions, not based on what the Electoral Commission was there for. The Electoral Commission was set up to ensure political parties were funded in a fair and transparent manner, without foreign money flowing into the UK and influencing British politics. Now the Electoral Commission exists for one reason alone, to prevent political parties from being formed or standing in elections if they have the wrong opinions. That is not a free and democratic state.
Clews:
If you were High Chancellor Collett and spokesperson Laura Towler and I wanted to fund for my political party for transgender rights. Would you, would you allow me to form that party?
Collett:
Of course.
Clews:
Would you? Would you? Would you give me the free speech? Would you?
Collett:
Of course, I’m not bothered about free speech. My opinions, my opinion based on fact that based on the law of nature. Look, the whole transgender movement is utterly degenerate. It’s child abuse, and it’s a system of turning nature on its head to attack the natural order of things. The traditional family and Christianity. That is why the transgender movement is being pushed by the left because it attacks the fundamental pillars of our society. But if there was a transgender movement that wanted free and open debate, that would be fine by me because when held up to genuine scrutiny and free and open debate, their opinions, and the central tenants of what they stand for are completely destroyed, by simple common sense.
Clews:
And what? You obviously, you guys have your your politics. What about … there’s a lot of people just want this to end, the wokery, they want the direction. But we might see what you guys are offering as just a step too far. But perhaps a more cosy, cuddly version that’s more open and inclusive might might actually reach more people. How would you, how would you respond to that?
Towler:
Well, we are a radical organisation, revolutionary organisation. We make no apologies for that because we need something radical enough to fix this. The cosy parties and the cosy organisations will just continue going down the same path that we going down, just a little bit slower. So if you actually want to change things, if you actually want to keep the British, the white British as a majority in this country, then you need something radical in order to fix it. So we don’t apologise for being a radical movement and we do see our numbers growing and I think every single day more and more people are waking up and saying OK enough is enough. I mean the biggest recruiting tool for us since we found was the BLM riots last summer across the western world. So many people came to us and said alright, I’ve had enough. A statue has been pulled down too many or you know, person is threatened by people one too many, people came to us. So I don’t think the comfort of the cosy parties are solutions, have solutions at all. I do think we need something like PA.
Clews:
But again, in order to get to that tipping point, because I’m, I’m probably about the same age as you, Mark, I’m, I’m 40 on my birthday. You know, there’s always been not talk of when the tipping point will be reached, and you know you look amongst the populace. So just there isn’t perhaps that anger, amongst people. And over Covid that there was a lot of anger but even then that’s that’s dissipated very quickly. So, in order for parties and groups talking about revolution, surely you need a certain point of anger. Is that ever going? Is that in the British nature? Is it is in the English because you look at as a country. You know when was the last time we had a revolution? It was Cromwell, you know we … is it in our nature to go along that road?
Collett:
Look, it is in the nature of people to fight for survival. When they’re pushed to the edge, people can be very passive, people can be very docile. But when it is a matter of survival, that instinct kicks in and we are facing unprecedented challenges for the first time really in living memory. I mean, maybe not living memory, ’cause there are people, stuff maybe in the 90s or maybe over 100, who remember things when they were very bad, sort of say in the Great Depression. But we are facing an unprecedented future, unprecedented time, where people don’t have money, where people are going to be starving, where the government’s decisions are going to put families out on the streets and ensure people can’t make their mortgage payments. Pretty soon people are going to have to decide, you know, whether they use their car to go to work, or whether they set off early in the morning and walk or get on the bus because they can’t afford petrol. And all of these things they’re doing of a so-called Conservative government that has run the country into the ground.
This may well be a large game changer. It might not. But we are heading into uncharted waters, and I can promise you one thing David. All of these disgusting, duplicitous, vile politicians that sit in Westminster, every one of those 650 lying scumbags will utter this phrase and every one of them is lying. They were all say we are all in this together and we are not all in this together. We are in it. And what we are in is a huge vat of faeces. They are not in that, that with us. They’re above it. We will be the ones struggling. We will be the ones who can’t afford to put petrol in our tanks. We will be the ones who have to choose between eating or heating our homes. They, however, won’t care how much petrol costs ’cause they don’t pay for their petrol, we paid for it for them. They don’t care about mortgages because they get a second home in London that they sell at the end of their tenure and make a huge profit on it. And we pay for that. They get lots of little perks for simply being Members of Parliament and they just gave themselves a 2200 pounds pay rise to cover their cost of living shortfall. No that they had one ’cause they’re on £80,000 a year basic anyway, so we are not all in this together and as time goes by I am hoping that the British people start to look at these parasites and think, you know what? Maybe they’re putting my family through hell. While they’re sat eating caviar and drinking champagne. And it’s about time things changed.
Clews:
And again, I’ll ask this to Laura. Will people then collectivise and organise on a racial level? You know, in that situation with people not perhaps be more inclined to collectivise on a class level.
Towler:
Everybody in the country already collectivise is on a racial level apart from white people. So, you know, it is one thing that the BLM riots taught us last year its that black people in Britain feel a stronger connexion to a black man in America than they do among the ethically British people that they live among. So everybody already collectivises along racial lines apart from white people. It would be taught to act as individuals. And that’s what we’re trying to shatter. You know what? We’re not saying my superior to anyone else are. We need to hit anyone else. We’re just saying love your people and love your nation because you can’t act as an individual when everybody else is acting as a collective. It’s suicide to do that. So yeah, I do think that a lot of people are waking up to race because it’s everywhere. You can’t escape it, you know. You only have to watch the adverts, all the soaps or a movie, or listen to music all absolutely everything. It’s just race, race, race, race, race constantly. So the media are doing such a fantastic job of waking up our people to race. And I do think that more and more of our people are collectivising as white people and as British people.
Clews:
Just a couple more points then. Obviously, your views in the current climate, are seen as pretty radical and you are targeted as we are at UNN, and we as I said I’m I’m not politically aligned. I have views and ideas but simply talking about these topics is verboten. What do you see, as we alluded to earlier. What’s gonna happen, Mark when literally you are banned from the Internet, your unpersons. How are you? How are you going to manage then?
Collett:
Well, that’s why we started a real world organisation, because that’s what you need to do. People need to realise that they cannot rely on the systems and devices owned by the people who hate them. We spend too much time living on platforms that were controlled by people who want to see us erased, by people who are anti-white, anti-traditional, anti-Christian. And that was a major, major error. And I was talking about this a long time ago on YouTube. I said, look, the people were running this platform. They despise us and they’re gonna get rid of us all. You can never, ever rely on your enemies to do the right things by you. And there’s one thing they can’t stop us doing. We can’t stop sending letters, they can’t stop us delivering leaflets. They can’t stop us meeting.
On the the village green or in the town hall and having a conversation. So, we might have to go back to traditional politics. But you know what? Traditional politics is good, traditional politics is real. I tell you something. They’ll kick you off places like Facebook. And at first it is a bit of a body blow. And there’s a couple of things that really annoyed me about getting kicked off Facebook. And I’ll tell you this, David, it also sets you free in a very real way because all these apps, all these social networks, they’re not designed for your good. They’re designed to ruin your life. They suck hours out of your time, they split you away from your family. You spend ages staring at a screen, you stop going outdoors, you start to think genuine human interactions are clicking like and share. They’re not. When you get kicked off these things, at first it’s a body blow and it can be hard. But I can tell you this, after the initial sting you start to realise, that actually, you’ve been taken away from something that was damaging your life. Genuine human interaction should never ever be replaced by these virtual interactions on these poisonous social networks that are really only designed to monitor you, control you and sell you rubbish she never wanted in the first place.
Clews:
And that’s the Chinese communists behind it then, isn’t it? (laughter)
Towler:
Are we gonna start Chinagate 2.0.
Collett:
I don’t think Mark Zuckerberg looks particularly Chinese does he?
Clews:
But I … take this as you will a mild criticism. You know when Alex Jones does get a lot of stick if you look at the influence that China does have on the world and as an entity in the way they treat people it does it does impact us here. And you know, it’s easy and Alex Jones gets more power for that. But you know he does have a point in what he says…
Towler:
Is that for me? Sorry. I think on a global scale, there are plenty of countries that have an influence on who we are and what we’re able to do. But I think the problem is, you know, the biggest problem is probably the media which we spoke about earlier. I don’t think we need to go over that again, but said that’s probably the biggest influence on our people. It’s lying to our people constantly, is teaching people to hate themselves constantly, its misrepresenting good people constantly. So I would say that the media and the people who are behind that, the biggest threat that people face.
Clews:
OK. Just closing then because this has been a very interesting conversation, I’m sure we could talk about this for considerably longer. I’m not ideologically rigid. I’m sure a lot of people agree with a lot of what you said but, take this how you will. It’s just maybe a step too far for most people. It’s just not it’s not how British people would be. And the experiences you talk about you know you talk in a war, American streams and all the that your audience is just, it’s just a bit too much. You know that and look it’s the same with COVID as well. You know what I’ve got views on COVID are pretty extreme and I whether this is right or not, I will tailor it to my audience and you know you could say well you’re a sell-out Clews. You only go part of the way: you wont address the JQ. But, you know, it’s not just totally… I’m sure there are people that accuse you guys of not going…. Is not a self fulfilling prophecy of you to go on this death spiral of how far you are prepared to go t0, you know what I mean?
Towler:
There should be nothing controversial about saying that, you know, people exist in that young people have the right to their own homeland. And that’s all.
Clews:
Of course there shouldn’t, but there is. This is the world that we live in. You can’t change the situation. Like we can’t trust his.
Collett (incredulous):
What?! What a defeatist comment! You can’t change the situation.
Clews:
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Collett:
The point is you’re either gonna rage against the evil that is destroying your people, your culture, your tradition, your religion, or your gonna sit back and be eaten alive and smile uncomfortably as it happens. And then you’ve got to ask yourself, are you a man in your person of good character? And when you are being eaten alive, when your family is being eaten alive, when everything around you that you love and cherish is being destroyed, and mocked and ridiculed and torn down, are you gonna show some courage and fight back? And the answer is — this is the question David ….
Clews:
Even political revolutionaries in the 30s, forties, 50s, even, they kind of toned down the rhetoric even they went to a stage where they could reach a further audience. Is that so?
Collett:
David, Laura has just said – white British people have the right to exist.
Clews:
Yeah?
Collett:
How could you….?
Clews:
I don’t have an issue with that. But the vast majority of people would,
Collett:
so you’re saying the vast majority of people are offended? OK, OK.
Clews:
It’s too harsh for Joe Normie. If you go too far down the rabbit hole
Collett: (Incredulous)
Its too far down the rabbit hole to say we have the right to exist?
Clews:
Yeah, I’m not saying that, but I’m seeing the wider human. I have no issues with that. I have no issue just.
Collett:
You just said on the recording so it could be played back to you, but we’ve gone so far down the rabbit hole that we claim we have a right to exist.
Clews:
I never said that. No, I said. I have no issue with that. But what I’m telling you is that if you go to Joe Normie, who gets bombarded daily with that propaganda, and try to wake them up by basically throwing a bucket of hot water, cold water, sorry over them. It’s going to be two rude an awakening for them. All I’m saying is I do have experience of getting elected and actually winning council elections. And I know how I did that and I know how it’s done and I am telling and seeing that even if you look into history, nationalist movements that did get into power, they did kind of tone down their rhetoric, go a slightly, slightly, different route.
Collett:
I don’t think you can tone it down any further than saying we have a right to exist. We’re not calling for supremacy, We’re not calling to put anyone else down. We are saying that as a distinct and individual ethnic group who are the indigenous people of these islands, we have a right to exist. That message is clear and to the day I die, I shall never compromise on that. Because I don’t believe you can tone it down any further….
Clews:
But then look at the state that we are in 2022 where your had the National Front, the BNP whatever like it didn’t actually … look at the mess that we’ve come into. That’s all I’m saying. Look at the mess we’ve gone. You know, You know what about, you know?
Collett:
As I said, we’re in this mess, ’cause everyone ‘s just toned it down. And that’s what the left want everyone to do forever. Every Conservative, every traditionalist, every person who has sat in parliament on the Conservative side of the illusory divide has always said, you know, what if we just sell out one more of our policies? Then we would have won. And they’ve sold everything else so far, that they don’t even know where they were originally. They let go of everything and now they’ve got nothing. And you know what? I’m not letting go of my people. That’s one thing I’m never letting go off.
Clews:
And that that will win you a lot of loyalty amongst your followers and a lot of loyalty amongst your supporters. But my argument is that I want to see real change take place in this country. I want to see this hell that currently exists, end. And that is going to be a long ladder that is going to be stepped up. And you know. It’s not gonna happen overnight. And if we get to say that we’re we’re not. I get all this, I get all this I can all this and and as I said. Decent parties in the 1930s did differentiate themselves from other sides of the movement that they thought were too extreme. So you know this, this, this historical precedent for this happening. You know…,
Collett:
You do realise that there are many people in Britain who said that we shouldn’t talk about the despicable grooming, sexual abuse and rape of hundreds of hundreds of thousands of white British girls. Because if we did, we would be rocking the boat. Because some people wouldn’t like it. Because it would offend certain sections of the populations. Because white liberals would find it unpalatable to be presented with such truth. Those are the opinions. Believe people suffering in silence.
Clews:
As I said below, and to use a face, you can only piss with the cup you’ve got and that this is the reality of where we are, where we are. As I say that that’s my that’s my, my theatre. I’m not arguing the civic nationalism and Anne Marie Waters, David Kirsten, Tommy Robinson or the answer I know. I just want someone, right. To sort this out, OK, I just want someone to come in and deal with this. And I think the vast majority of British people are approaching that that point as well. And I hope it will, It will present itself and I’m not knocking what you guys do that you know, you can do whatever you like. I believe in free speech. I believe in the rights assembly, but. My analysis of it. Is that it will just be a bit too much for for Joe Normie and …
Collett:
But David. Youve got the wrong attitude. No one’s coming to sort this out. No one is coming to save you. There’s no knight on a White Horse who’s riding in to make everything good for David in the Unity News Network. You must rise up. You must take destiny in your own hands and free yourself from this evil.
Clews:
But I can, because I choose to live my life how I want, with my family. And I will look after … again, you know I will look after myself and my family and that to me is the most that is the most important bedrock upon which this country is built, is family.
Collett:
So, but if you are to save your family, you have to look to your wider family, you have to look to your community or people. Our people must realise no one is coming to save them, they must save themselves. Now is the time to either rise up and make a difference or to go quietly into the night. And I’m not a quiet person and I don’t like going quietly anywhere, so I know what I’m going to do and everyone here knows where me and Laura are, if they want to join us.
Clews:
Absolute power, power to you for what you’re doing and if there was a proper electoral system in this country, then you would you would be able to put that to the test. But we don’t have a proper electoral system, as you point out. You’re not, you’re not there. And as I say, this is all very entertaining for the audience but. But where do we even start? You know, you look at you look at it in America where it within the Republican party. At least there are people that will understand nationalist politics. Where do we go? Who do we turn to?
